Friday, 26 March 2010

Will Anyone Notice?

Redbridge i during the pre election

Redbridge Council is restricted on what it can publicise from when an election is announced to when the polling stations close.

The Council cannot show political preference, use public resources or publicity materials such as leaflets, press releases, or the website and it’s features to promote one party or policy over another. The pre election period is usually between four to six weeks.

From 5pm on Friday 26 March 2010

  • Borough forums will be read only and you will not be able to post comments on the forum.
  • The Council Leader’s blog and the Redbridge Mayor’s blog will not be available to view.
  • The Neighbourhood Matters homepage module will not be available to use.
  • Pledges home page module will be pre moderated. *
  • The Ask My Neighbour home page module will be pre moderated.*
  • My Neighbourhood will remain unaffected.

* pre-moderation means that posts submitted to the forum will be checked by a forum moderator before it appears on the forum.

53 comments:

  1. Oh, hell! That means it will be EVEN LESS active than its usual pathetic performance. Bizarre.

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  2. Erm .... having read the detail, I find it difficult to fathom what is going to be different about Red i V.2 during this period as against any other.

    The restrictions on Councillors only come into effect by law when they become Candidates, having effectively resigned their seats in order to be re-elected, but the day-to-day "business" of the Borough continues as normal - doesn't it?

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  3. Yes Officers carry on as normal,with no interference from Councillors or Tax Payers,so absolutely no change at all, they are still not subject to any scrutiny by the public, whose servants they are supposed to be.

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  4. You are so mean! Don't you realise they will have nothing to do (like deleting us or barring us due to 'terms and conditions'). Boredom will be unbearable.
    annesevant

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  5. I suggest that they all take their annual leave, "lieu days", and as much as possible of their customary sick leave during this period. They could then be in full attendance for the rest of the year - even including the occasional day's work!

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  6. I don't understand why a forum for people is closing down during the election! As if there's going to be some political campaign on the forums! People can express their political and policy preferences all year round!

    This is yet another pathetic excuse to stop Redbridge citizens having open discussions!

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  7. ...forgive me if I am wrong here but......
    I did not know an election had actually been announced or declared yet.

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  8. I believe the nomination period for the local elections has begun.

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  9. It has, Weggis. Today (Sunday) is 38 days before polling day - a date fixed by law unless the government takes certain specified measures in advance to delay it (as it did last year to hold the county council elections in June on the same date as the Euro elections). They have not done so, which makes it a virtual certainty that the date of the general election will be announced in about 9 days' time, and will be also on 6 May.

    Bring 'em on!

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  10. "The Council cannot show political preference, use public resources or publicity materials such as leaflets, press releases, or the website and it’s features to promote one party or policy over another."

    See if you can spot the errors, inconsistencies and omissions on this page.

    I have also spotted that there is no longer a link to "Council and Democracy" from the Main Menu on the Council's Home Page, although the pages are still there.

    What's that all about?

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  11. The most obvious problem, as far as your first point is concerned is that:

    "Councillors are responsible for making decisions on behalf of the community about ..."

    should be amended to read:

    "Councillors are responsible for receiving complaints from the community about ..."

    As for your second point, having successfully suppressed the forum and all direct links to it in RiV2, they now feel confident that they can suppress anything they like ...

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  12. ... hence, Knowsie, my persistence in referring to them as Stasi, KGB, Gestapo etc. Those particular organisations learned, just as Redi may have done, that no matter how "successfully" they suppress, the "plebs" find other ways of expressing themselves - such as this blog.

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  13. Oh Morris - you disappoint me! I would have expected a local branch of the Maquis at least! (Anne would lead, of course!)

    My late father-in-law was always saying:' "It will all be different when our lot gets in ..."

    ... Unfortunately, we never found out who "his lot" were ...

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  14. Mon Maquis a moi, c'est mon allotment!
    As a tiny tot in Brittany, I knew a lot about the Resistance and shadowy figures in the night(both parents and many of their friends involved). I also think I remember something that some historian might confirm: every household, in occupied France, had to display an effigy of Hitler. We had a tiny statue of him but, unfortunately, the head was missing. I expect us children would have been blamed for this unfortunate accident, had it been discovered. What happened to this 'ornament' after the Liberation, I can only guess. The war was never ever discussed, far too many bad things.
    annesevant

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  15. Dear all, enjoy!
    The censors are not resting even on Easter Sunday!
    I thought I would email pontrouge (just in case, pont is bridge and rouge is ...red, and us French confuse the correct order!)
    pontrouge is a neighbour according to the redbridge definition.
    Redbridge reply:
    [You, or someone from this email address, recently submitted either a question, answer, clarification, titled Salut, 'redbridge' in French. If you want to air la revolution you could join us at the redbridge eye website where la censure is unknown! (Within reasons, of course!) to the Ask My Neighbour feature. We have reviewed this item and believe that it is inapproriate and does not meet the terms and conditions of the Ask My Neighbour tool. For full details of what we will and will not publish please review our terms and conditions. Thank you. Redbridge i Admin
    Unbelievable! Thank you Redbridge i!
    annesevant

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  16. Pathetic. It's a pity that they cannot respond as quickly to residents' correspondence, including emails and Freedom of Information Requests.

    Whilst it is tempting to think that this could be changed by votes in 32 days time, the reality is that these are matters in the hands of officers.

    The top ranking 7 officers trousered last year around £1-million between them. This year's figure will be larger. Add to this the employer's pension and national insurance contributions and there is a further £350k or so. Should not these people be publicly accountable when they cost us so much?

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  17. There seems to be something very underhand going on during this blackout that we're not being told about ...

    ... on the Weights and Measures page it says: "If you require more information on weights and measures, please contact Redbridge County Council directly." ...!

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  18. What difference a single letter can make!
    So, I will glow with pleasure when called petty and read pretty instead!

    annesevant

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  19. On April 8th I commented

    "There seems to be something very underhand going on during this blackout that we're not being told about ...

    ... on the Weights and Measures page it says: "If you require more information on weights and measures, please contact Redbridge County Council directly." ...!
    "

    Strange that, when I looked at the council's moribund forum today, the word "County" had disappeared!

    Obviously this forum not only highlights the council's incompetence, but is used by the idiots who run their forum to correct their own stupid mistakes!

    Surely an acknowledgement of this forum's assistance in the matter would not been out of place ...?

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  20. Oh, Knowsie - such naivety! As if the high and mighty could possibly admit to errors!! Such an admission would be to acknowledge that they are only human like the rest of us.

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  21. Well knowsie, you might be right but you might be wrong. The fact that the offending mis-word disappeared could be a coincidence and nothing to do with your 'scanning for mistakes' ability!
    Bonne nuit!
    annesevant

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  22. I don't know if something fishy is going on, under the covers of purdah, but a new type of info has appeared in what's going on in my neighbourhood which, with my poor technical abibility I don't seem to be able to download.
    I imagine I am fretting about nothing but what if they took the opportunity of a totally boring website to slip through unwanted developments claiming that the info was there for the public to know, all the time!
    annesevant

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  23. I too was notified on 3 successive days recently of "posts" to Red-i, but the links failed to work. I emailed them - no response!

    You can trust them about as far as you can throw a battleship.

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  24. I chose this section of the redbridge i off-shoot randomly.
    Yesterday, when checking my neighbourhood site on the redbridge i, I came across an anonymous report of somebody's front garden, giving the details of the address, of course.
    Now, should the lazybones owner log on, he/she would know they have been reported and they will be guessworking who has been doing this and why.
    Interestingly, the said garden is not well kept but is not a health hazard.
    It's with trepidation now that I will check to see if anybody has reported us!
    What bothers me is that it can be done anonymously, hence opening the avenue to spite. Also, the council will waste time and money checking a situation which is not dire at all.
    (No, it's not our front garden!)
    annesevant

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  25. It is almost certain, Anne, that the council is able to identify those who submit these "anonymous" reports on their website. It's the sort of process on which the KGB, Stasi, Gestapo, and other totalitarian regimes flourished.

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  26. I don 't object to the council making public who is blatantly not obeying the rules but I strongly object to an address being shamed for many to see even before the facts have even been checked.
    This is handing a strong power to mean people who although they might be known to the council via their email details are not known to the rest of us. Hence, everybody can potentially be perceived to be the sneak.
    annesevant

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  27. The election was over more than 92 hours ago. Why has Redbridge-i still not been fully opened?

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  28. Now be fair Morris. The team were up all night Thursday/Friday and were uploading the local results onto Red-i late into Friday evening. Redimanager was there too working her socks off along with lots of other officers you and I both know. Maybe they had the weekend off and today on flexi-leave?

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  29. In other words they can act "pdq" with censorship, but not with facilitating contributions.

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  30. Morris,
    Had they turned the system back on at 10pm on Thursday there would have been nobody available to moderate. They are having a well earned rest after doing something useful. That can be quite a shock to one's metabolism you know!! :)

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  31. Gentlemen, the surprise is not when they turned it back on but, that they have bothered to turn it on at all, although it goes by the name of "forum" , it is nothing but a glorified Notice Board. Despite numerous and expensive gimmicks (none of which were applied to the sucessful original Forum -7.5million views)
    it time to admit the complete failure of "ask your neighbor" - "Neighborhood matters" and pledges- commonsense tells you that for ultralocal matters people will seek out their neighbors face to face- what is required is a borough wide forum to discuss important matters.
    However it is obvious to all discerning council tax payers that both Senior Officers and Councillors cant stand their performances to be scrutinised by their Paymasters.

    Now is the time for the Council Leader to ensure the forums are opened up once again, and prove that he and not Council Officers are in control.

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  32. Oi, dopeyf. Gentlemen????
    Also, do we have a council leader? The Cabinet will definitely have to change so what is the status quo right now.
    annesevant

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  33. The Red-i Forum is still locked.

    Maybe they have decided it is a waste of time in it's current guise. Or maybe they are waiting for Premium Bond to have his say?

    Anne. Keith Prince remains leader until a new one is voted in at Full Council. This I think may or may not happen on May 27th.

    And yes, we'll have no rampant sexism here, watch your step Dopeyf!!

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  34. The "Gentlemen" was directed only to
    Morris and Weggis, but I will withdraw the term if you so desire!

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  35. On the calendar of events, there are two full council meetings one on May 20th and one on May 27th. Neither have agendas. How do you know weggis that the leader will be decided (or announced) at the meeting on the 27th?
    Furthermore could you kindly let me know if these meetings will be public or not.
    Merci beaucoup.
    annesevant

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  36. The first one is usually the ceremonial event where the new Mayor gets elected. This one is invite only for champagne and canapes paid for out of your council tax.

    The second one is where they decide on the next years programme, including election of the Cabinet. This one is open to us plebs but there is no champagne or canapes.

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  37. What would we do without you weggis!
    Last year we turned up at the investiture of Cllr Chan and were told to go away and there was nothing on the redi proper to tell us. We did feel so rejected but we drowned our sorrows not far from Barkingside roundabout!
    Cllr Mrs Ryan, Cll Loraine Sladden, Cllr Chan. How time flies!

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  38. There is no champagne following the mayor making - unless things have changed since 2006. And there is a small number of public seats for the meeting - unless that has changed too; but I emphasise, the number is small.

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  39. I wonder if we will get a shared Cabinet with Cllr Prince as leader and a Lib-Dem as deputy-leader.
    Also we could have a Lib-Dem as Cabinet member for Leisure Culture and the Olympics but who would want the job when the only answer which can be given is that no money to spend is attached to the job description?
    annesevant

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  40. They're all back in business - including the censors.

    Long live free speech - guaranteed on Redbridge Eye.

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  41. Yes, Morris, free speech on Redbridge Eye, but the contributors are a carefully selected bunch, not the rabble who would like to be free to expose niggling little problems occurring in Redbridge. Although, if we were to do a Venn Diagram, a few of us would be in the overlap section.
    Did I say a few?
    annesevant

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  42. They've been censoring again this afternoon. A pity the council cannot either find them some USEFUL work to do, OR abolish their posts and make some cash savings.

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  43. They're all back in business..

    That didn't last long! We are apparently to have a by election called tomorrow!!!!

    Wilson will be pleased.

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  44. Those stupid enough to field an inelligible candidate should be obliged to meet the costs of the byelection.

    Perhaps the law should be changed so that a candidate who is elected but proves subsequently to be either inelligible or disqualified should be replaced automatically by the candidate with the next highest number of votes - in this case, John Tyne. A byelection would not then be necessary.

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  45. Sounds suspiciously like a PR List system to me!

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  46. Wouldn't the simplest solution be to sack him from his teaching post - then he wouldn't be a council employee, thus no conflict.

    If he keeps his job and loses his place on the council, as planned, will anybody be keeping an watch on what he says about it to his students? After all, he will probably feel a bit embittered by the whole fiasco ...

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  47. I would have thought that there would be a relevant clause in his Contract of Employement.
    There certainly is for senior Police and Fire Officers.
    In which case he should be sacked anyway, but that does not make him eligible as a Councillor in retrospect.

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  48. I can't believe the said councillor is going to fight against this decision according to what I hear. Clearly there is a conflict of interests, never mind what his employment contract says. Just suppose he were put on a scrutiny committee dealing with education in the borough, then what? A proposal for extra funding for his school comes before him. It's obvious he can't be impartial.

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  49. I would argue that legally he has not even been elected. He was nominated, but was legally an inelligible person. It is for candidates and the parties sponsoring them to make due and diligent inquiry in order to satisfy themselves as to an individual candidate's elligibility. And when another councillor from the same party, himself a teacher (but not in Redbridge) comments to the effect that it is "only" a technicality one has to question the mental and moral capacity of such people.

    I suppose we can consider ourselves fortunate that it did not involve a candidate from another party. The blog would have a new post (criticising yet another party) every 3 hours, and the index finger would never stop wagging.

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  50. I have just tried to comment on Julie's effort to revive the deadbridgei.
    Will I be published?

    [Julie, I want you to know I have read your comments although I hardly even look these days!
    Anyway, good luck with the local mediums and, yes, I think you are delusional!
    I am probably going to be told I am too personal and unkind to you.
    Still, I know that you, if not they, have a sense of humour!]
    annesevant

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  51. I don't know if she intended it, but aren't mediums people who talk to the dead?

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